Nu trage motorul cum ar trebui

[cristi2106]

va rog sa ma lamuriti si pe mine cu valva n75,unde se afla ,cat costa una ?

e posibil sa fie de acolo problema,luni merg sa iau un debitmetru sa observ diferentele daca or sa fie

[Laurentiu Utiu]

Cristi...fara un log in mers care sa elucideze problema vei schimba o gramada de piese fara succes si costisitor. Ti-am aratat lista cu userii din Ploiesti, i-a legatura cu unul dintre ei.

[cristi2106]

debitmetru incerc sa il schimb din propria initiativa,acum ca stiu ca turbina e in stare perfecta incerc sa o readuc la viata

masina are 131cp si nu depaseste 190kmh..nu asta e intentia mea sa ajung la o viteza maxima cat mai mare ,dar totusi la 131 de cai se comporta ca la 90cp

[SirGabriel]

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Am schimbat si pompa de vacum si acum si-a revenit vacuumul dar tot aceeasi problema dupa 90km/h ii taie gazu,a mai ramas debimetru' sa-l schimb ca in rest n75 ,senzoru de presiune,curatat turbina plus EGR ...sunt facute!(adika cumparate noi)

Modificat 16 Aprilie, 2012 de SirGabriel

[pupak]

se pare ca ultima data nu sa putut deschide... acum pun direct aici:

Thursday,12,April,2012,11:28:22:46862,VCDS Version: Release 10.6.0,Data version: 20100630 038 906 019 A,, 1.9l R4 EDC 0000SG 0801, ,Group A:,'003,,,,Group B:,'010,,,,Group C:,'008 ,,Engine speed,MAF (specified),MAF (actual),EGR duty cycle,,MAF,Atmos. pressure,Intake air press.,Throttle,,Engine speed,IQ driver's req,IQ via rpm(Torq),IQ via MAF ,TIME,820-900,230-420,230-420,10-95%,TIME,850-1050,sensor -f96-,2000-2200,100%,TIME,2850-3150,50-55,44-47,47-52 Marker,STAMP, /min, mg/str, mg/str, %,STAMP, mg/str, mbar, mbar, %,STAMP, /min, mg/str, mg/str, mg/str ,0.68,2982,355.0,671.3,4.8,0.02,676.2,958.8,1774.8,25.1,0.32,2982,8.5,45.6,36.0 ,1.76,2982,355.0,681.1,4.8,1.04,676.2,958.8,1815.6,25.1,1.40,3003,8.5,45.3,35.7 ,2.84,2982,355.0,676.2,4.8,2.12,681.1,958.8,1825.8,25.1,2.48,2982,8.5,45.6,36.5 ,3.92,2961,355.0,671.3,4.8,3.20,676.2,958.8,1825.8,25.1,3.56,2982,8.5,45.6,35.7 ,4.93,2961,355.0,676.2,4.8,4.28,681.1,958.8,1805.4,25.1,4.59,2961,8.5,45.6,36.2 ,5.96,3003,365.0,676.2,4.8,5.25,686.0,958.8,1815.6,25.5,5.60,2982,8.8,45.6,35.7 ,7.04,3003,365.0,676.2,4.8,6.32,681.1,958.8,1836.0,25.5,6.68,3003,8.8,45.3,36.2 ,8.12,3003,365.0,671.3,4.8,7.40,676.2,958.8,1825.8,25.5,7.76,3003,8.8,45.6,36.2 ,34.78,819,255.0,259.7,61.4,35.10,254.8,958.8,958.8,0.0,34.47,819,0.0,31.6,20.0 ,35.81,819,255.0,254.8,61.4,36.17,264.6,958.8,948.6,0.0,35.45,819,0.0,31.6,20.0 ,36.89,903,430.0,406.7,21.1,37.25,392.0,958.8,948.6,44.3,36.53,819,0.0,31.6,20.0 ,37.97,3738,850.0,632.1,4.8,38.33,730.1,958.8,2213.4,23.5,37.61,2499,36.5,48.3,23.1 ,39.05,2814,250.0,710.5,4.8,39.41,637.0,958.8,1662.6,0.0,38.69,3969,0.0,43.1,39.3 Thursday,12,April,2012,11:29:39:46862,VCDS Version: Release 10.6.0,Data version: 20100630 038 906 019 A,, 1.9l R4 EDC 0000SG 0801, ,Group A:,'003,,,,Group B:,'010,,,,Group C:,'008 ,,Engine speed,MAF (specified),MAF (actual),EGR duty cycle,,MAF,Atmos. pressure,Intake air press.,Throttle,,Engine speed,IQ driver's req,IQ via rpm(Torq),IQ via MAF ,TIME,820-900,230-420,230-420,10-95%,TIME,850-1050,sensor -f96-,2000-2200,100%,TIME,2850-3150,50-55,44-47,47-52 Marker,STAMP, /min, mg/str, mg/str, %,STAMP, mg/str, mbar, mbar, %,STAMP, /min, mg/str, mg/str, mg/str ,0.70,819,255.0,249.9,61.0,0.02,249.9,958.8,948.6,0.0,0.35,819,0.0,31.6,20.0 ,1.78,1554,410.0,426.3,41.4,1.06,401.8,958.8,948.6,11.4,1.42,1155,9.6,39.0,21.1 ,2.86,3276,565.0,558.6,4.8,2.14,460.6,958.8,1030.2,28.2,2.50,2688,12.6,47.2,19.2 ,3.91,3759,850.0,710.5,4.8,3.22,695.8,958.8,1774.8,37.3,3.58,4368,15.4,36.5,38.4 ,5.00,1449,250.0,519.4,4.8,4.28,646.8,958.8,1887.0,0.0,4.63,1995,0.0,50.2,34.0 ,6.08,798,260.0,382.2,84.5,5.35,475.3,958.8,1234.2,0.0,5.72,861,0.0,31.6,25.5 Thursday,12,April,2012,11:30:21:46862,VCDS Version: Release 10.6.0,Data version: 20100630 038 906 019 A,, 1.9l R4 EDC 0000SG 0801, ,Group A:,'003,,,,Group B:,'010,,,,Group C:,'008 ,,Engine speed,MAF (specified),MAF (actual),EGR duty cycle,,MAF,Atmos. pressure,Intake air press.,Throttle,,Engine speed,IQ driver's req,IQ via rpm(Torq),IQ via MAF ,TIME,820-900,230-420,230-420,10-95%,TIME,850-1050,sensor -f96-,2000-2200,100%,TIME,2850-3150,50-55,44-47,47-52 Marker,STAMP, /min, mg/str, mg/str, %,STAMP, mg/str, mbar, mbar, %,STAMP, /min, mg/str, mg/str, mg/str ,0.69,1533,260.0,249.9,64.5,1.05,235.2,958.8,989.4,15.7,0.33,1491,6.0,44.7,17.6 ,1.77,2016,490.0,406.7,43.8,2.13,499.8,958.8,1162.8,45.1,1.41,1617,8.8,46.7,17.6 ,2.85,4536,850.0,715.4,4.8,3.20,661.5,958.8,2060.4,0.0,2.49,4158,34.6,41.2,33.5

ACESTA ESTE ALTUL:

Thursday,12,April,2012,11:39:38:46862,VCDS Version: Release 10.6.0,Data version: 20100630 038 906 019 A,, 1.9l R4 EDC 0000SG 0801, ,Group A:,'008,,,,Group B:,'013,,,,Group C:,'011 ,,Engine speed,IQ driver's req,IQ via rpm(Torq),IQ via MAF,,Cyl 1,Cyl 2,Cyl 3,Cyl 4,,Engine speed,Spec. intake press.,Actual intake press.,D.cycle MAP ,TIME,2850-3150,50-55,44-47,47-52,TIME,-2.8 to +2.8 mg/H,-2.8 to +2.8 mg/H,-2.8 to +2.8 mg/H,-2.8 to +2.8 mg/H,TIME,2850-3150,2000-2150,2000-2200,40-95% Marker,STAMP, /min, mg/str, mg/str, mg/str,STAMP, mg/str, mg/str, mg/str, mg/str,STAMP, /min, mbar, mbar, % ,0.02,3087,8.0,45.3,19.5,0.36,0.42,0.26,-1.48,0.75,0.72,3087,1275.0,1377.0,54.6 ,1.08,3087,8.0,45.3,19.5,1.44,0.42,0.26,-1.48,0.75,1.80,3087,1275.0,1377.0,54.6 ,13.97,819,0.0,31.6,20.0,14.33,0.35,0.35,-1.32,0.54,13.62,819,979.2,958.8,19.9 ,15.05,819,0.0,31.6,20.0,15.41,0.33,0.33,-1.32,0.54,14.69,819,979.2,958.8,19.9

SI ASTA ESTE IN EDITOR:

Thursday,12,April,2012,10:19:51:46862

VCDS Version: Release 10.6.0

Data version: 20100630

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Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-019-AJM.lbl

Control Module Part Number: 038 906 019 A

Component and/or Version: 1,9l R4 EDC 0000SG 0801

Software Coding: 00002

Work Shop Code: WSC 05311

VCID: 152AC30A03DB80B4

2 Faults Found

17958 - Charge Pressure: Control Deviation

P1550 - 08-10 - Control Limit Surpassed - Intermittent

16485 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70): Implausible Signal

P0101 - 35-00 - -

Readiness: 0 0 X X X

Sper sa se poate citi acum, astept un raspuns, va multumesc

[F l o r i n]

Din pacate, nu....

ai scos si ai incercat sa mergi cu mufa la debitmetru, scoasa ? daca da, sterge eroarea... daca nu, verifica ce-i cu debitmetrul.

[cristi2106]

acum 20 de minute am desfacut debitmetru l-am curatat ,dar nu prea aveam ce sa curat era destul de curat,am curatat bine si ambele mufe si am facut un test

- cu mufa pusa merge normal ca si pana acum (dar nu trage totusi cum ar trebui)

- iar cand o scot masina merge exact ca in limp mode f greu..... am observat totusi ca pe loc la relanti se accelereaza parca mai sprinten decat cu mufa pusa

??

[F l o r i n]

inseamna ca debitmetrul mai lucreaza.... cat de cat.

Incearca sa faci un log in mers, sa ne uitam pe el.

[cristi2106]

Azi vreau sa testez un alb debitmetru,sa vad daca exista vreo diferenta in mers ,va tin la curent.

Are vreun rost sa fac acest test in conditiile in care fara mufa masina nu trage ,deci debitmetru meu functioneaza?

[F l o r i n]

Are - masina merge mai bine cu mufa scoasa, doar daca debitmetru e distrus total. Altfel, daca el da valori eronate, dar peste valoarea de 600-700 mg/str , merge mai bine cu mufa pusa....dar masina merge prost

[Laurentiu Utiu]

Testeaza unul negru, alb nu cred a vei gasi :)

Are rost. Depinde debitmetrul tau ce valoare citea.In mod normal ar trebui sa-ti citeasca cel putin 850.Ceea ce e sub 850 e considerat debitmetru obosit,uzat.In lipsa unui debitmetru bun,Ecu substituie valoarea default de 560 (parca).Dacaa al tau masura intre 560 si 850 inseamna ca e obosit.Daca cu noul debitmetru tot asa face atunci problema e altundeva.Ti-am mai spus-o si sustin in continuare ca un log in mers ar fi fost ideal, caci face cat 1000 de probe si piese schimbate. Succes

[cristi2106]

pana la un log in mers ,merg si testez celalalt debitmetru ca nu ma costa nimic,numai sa gasesc cheia dinaia,

[F l o r i n]

Trebuie sa citeasca peste valoarea ceruta de ECU - cam asta e ideea.

[cristi2106]

revin dupa amiaza cu noutati

[cristi2106]

am testat masina si cu celalalt debitmetru ,codurile identice ambele bosch

nici o diferenta acelasi lag destul de maricel de al 0-2000rpm ,in concluzie tind sa cred ca e din alta parte problema....

[pupak]

revin cu noutati am gasit eroare;17958 - Charge Pressure: Control Deviation

P1550 - 08-00 - Control Limit Surpassed

si am verificat supapa de la turbo si am constatat ca era destrins piulita de 6 si sa dereglat, am reglat un pic si acuma nu mai moare la turatie mare asa ca o problema am rezolvat mai am inca una de rezolvat cand trag mai tare de masina se simte o tripidatie si am verificat injectoarele si asta am gasit; cyl 1 0,33 cyl 2 0,33 cyl 3 -1,32 cyl 4 0,54 asa ca as vrea sa imi dati o parere cyl 3 este problema?pt tripidatii?? mentionez ca am schimbat garniturile de la injectoare ,mutumesc

[F l o r i n]

cilindrul 3 compenseaza pe restul.... nu ar trebui sa fie o problema, chiar daca valoarea e mai marisoara..... au fost reglate bine injectoarele, la montaj ?

[pupak]

Injectorul respectiv a fost la cilindrul 4 si tot aceasi valoare a avut, iarasi cand am schimbat garnituriile lam pus pe cilindrul 3 sa vad daca se schimba valoarea injectorului. Mersi

[C o s m i n]

E cam infundat. Si da, e posibil sa-ti dea trepidatii in turatie.

Daca s-a dereglat actuatorul turbinei, ar trebui sa-l reglezi facand loguri repetate sa te asiguri ca presiunea ceruta e aproximativ egala cu cea livrata.

[incze]

salutare

am si eu o problema cu un vw passat 3BG 1.9 TDI cu DI rosu e din anul 2001

am citit si am vazut k multi au problemele astea.

la mine tot asa nu trage motorul ,moare la 100/h

cine ma invata ce sa fac?

am fost si am pus-o pe calulator si a dat cod:

17965

cine imi poate zice pllss.multumesc

[P o p i c a]

Codul de eroare e: charge pressure control - positive deviation.

Verifica furtunele de la turbo si intercooler. S-ar putea sa-ti scape presiune.

[F l o r i n]

La Positive deviation.... nu prea ii scapa presiune, ci ii face prea multa.

Trebuie verificat N 75-ul si geometria - asta e posibil sa ii agate. Daca face un log in mers, ne putem uita pe el ca sa formulam un raspuns sigur.

[P o p i c a]

My bad! imi cer scuze pentru eroare :alien:

[incze]

salutare din nou la totii..

mss mult Popica si Florin de sfat ... am fost la servis aci si nu ii da de capat ...

intradevar a schimbat un furtun pe acolo si merge mai binishor ... inainte mergea pana la 80 kmm h

dar acu am fost si iam dat pana la 160 h si a mers apoi iar imi face figuri ..adika de la 160h nu mai vrea deloc ...

Log in mers nu pot face aci unde sunt eu acu ... ca nici nu stiu unde sa ma duc ... eu sunt la Hamburg ...

dar la vara adika mai bn zis in iunie la sf luni vin spre romania ..asa k daca e cineva din iasi care ma poate ajuta e foarte bine ..

am doua masini de facut ...

vw pasat 19tdi 2001 limusina

vw pasat 19tdi 2002 combi

cine ma poate ajuta il rog sa imi lase un nr de tel si pe 28-30 iunie sunt la el ... mss mult la totii..

oare daca ia pus un furtun si merge mai bn ...sa mai incerc sa mai schimb din furtune ?

msss

apropo scz k am uitat sa zic ca masinele sunt automate poate e important si asta ..msss

Florin lasa-mi e-mail tau sa vb acolo un pic ca poate iti fac o vizita ... sau intra pe messenger ... al meu id e : incze_leonard@yahoo.com ... ne auzim poate daca vrei tu msss mult

[F l o r i n]

Pe mess nu intru, ca nu e timp... mail - florinkrs@gmail.com