Probleme electrice

[C Z R]

S-a intamplat ieri seara (inca ma gandesc daca faptul ca ploua a fost o coincidenta sau nu).

Masina: G5 1.9 TDI BXE 2008.

 

Simptome:

- bord stins

- ventilatorul de la radiator mergea incontinuu

- nu mergea servodirectia

- nu functionau senzorii de parcare

- avariile blocate pe "aprins" in bord (nu si in exterior) - actionarea butonului de avarii pornea avariile exterioare dar in bord ramanea tot blocat pe "aprins"

- alarma a luat-o razna exact inainte de asta (s-a declansat desi nu cred sa fi avut vreun motiv real)

 

Rezultate scanare:

 

Saturday,09,February,2013,20:48:25:10074VCDS Version: Beta 11.2.0Data version: 20110305----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------                Address 01: Engine       Labels: 03G-906-016-BKC.lblControl Module Part Number: 03G 906 021 PM    HW: 03G 906 021 AN  Component and/or Version: R4 1,9L EDC G000SG  1136           Software Coding: 0000071            Work Shop Code: WSC 66565 257 00032                      VCID: 79FDE9D74B195 Faults Found:001384 - Cruise Control Switch (E45): Implausible Signal                 P0568 - 000 -  -  - Intermittent             Freeze Frame:                    Fault Status: 00100000                    Fault Priority: 3                    Fault Frequency: 1                    Time Indication: 0             Freeze Frame:                    RPM: 0 /min                    Speed: 0.0 km/h                    Load: 0.0 %                    Voltage: 11.70 V                    Bin. Bits: 00001100                    Bin. Bits: 11000000                    (no units): 0.0005785 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Steering Wheel Electronics                P1699 - 000 -  -  - Intermittent             Freeze Frame:                    Fault Status: 00100000                    Fault Priority: 3                    Fault Frequency: 5                    Mileage: 74924 km                    Time Indication: 0                    Date: 2000.00.00                    Time: 18:41:24             Freeze Frame:                    RPM: 0 /min                    Speed: 0.0 km/h                    Load: 0.0 %                    Voltage: 11.63 V                    Bin. Bits: 00001100                    Bin. Bits: 00000000                    (no units): 0.0005785 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Steering Wheel Electronics                P1699 - 000 -  -  - Intermittent             Freeze Frame:                    Fault Status: 00100000                    Fault Priority: 3                    Fault Frequency: 5                    Mileage: 74924 km                    Time Indication: 0                    Date: 2000.00.00                    Time: 18:41:24             Freeze Frame:                    RPM: 0 /min                    Speed: 0.0 km/h                    Load: 0.0 %                    Voltage: 11.63 V                    Bin. Bits: 00001100                    Bin. Bits: 00000000                    (no units): 0.0005685 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from A/C Controller                P1635 - 000 -  -  - Intermittent             Freeze Frame:                    Fault Status: 00100000                    Fault Priority: 3                    Fault Frequency: 4                    Mileage: 74924 km                    Time Indication: 0                    Date: 2000.00.00                    Time: 18:41:24             Freeze Frame:                    RPM: 0 /min                    Speed: 0.0 km/h                    Load: 0.0 %                    Voltage: 11.78 V                    Bin. Bits: 11001100                    Bin. Bits: 00000000                    (no units): 16.0005687 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Electric Load Controller                P1637 - 000 -  -  - Intermittent             Freeze Frame:                    Fault Status: 00100000                    Fault Priority: 3                    Fault Frequency: 1                    Mileage: 74924 km                    Time Indication: 0                    Date: 2000.00.00                    Time: 18:41:25             Freeze Frame:                    RPM: 0 /min                    Speed: 0.0 km/h                    Load: 0.0 %                    Voltage: 11.78 V                    Bin. Bits: 11001100                    Torque: 0.0 Nm                    Bin. Bits: 00000100Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0 Saturday,09,February,2013,20:48:58:10074VCDS Version: Beta 11.2.0Data version: 20110305                Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 1K0-614-517-MK60-F.lblControl Module Part Number: 1K0 614 517 AC    HW: 1K0 614 517 AC  Component and/or Version: ESP FRONT MK60-AT   0102           Software Coding: 0053889            Work Shop Code: WSC 00028 028 00001                      VCID: 68DBBC9320B31 Fault Found:01314 - Engine Control Module         013 - Check DTC Memory - IntermittentSaturday,09,February,2013,20:49:41:10074VCDS Version: Beta 11.2.0Data version: 20110305                Address 08: Auto HVAC       Labels: 1K0-907-044.lblControl Module Part Number: 1K0 907 044 BR    HW: 1K0 907 044 BR  Component and/or Version: ClimatronicPQ35 120 1111           Software Coding:             Work Shop Code: WSC 00000 000 00000                      VCID: 78FBECD370133 Faults Found:01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)         004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)         004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent00716 - Air recirculation Flap Positioning Motor (V113)         000 -  -  - IntermittentSaturday,09,February,2013,20:50:19:10074VCDS Version: Beta 11.2.0Data version: 20110305                Address 09: Cent. Elect.       Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-H.lblControl Module Part Number: 3C0 937 049 AJ    HW: 3C0 937 049 AJ  Component and/or Version: Bordnetz-SG     H54 2202           Software Coding: E70B0E2700041501471400001400000000097F075C000104000000000000            Work Shop Code: WSC 00028 028 00001           Additional Info: 1K1955119E  Wischer 270807 021  0501   1K0955559AF RLS     100907 046  0204                         VCID: 71EDD1F713695 Faults Found:01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)             004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent             Freeze Frame:                    Fault Status: 00100100                    Fault Priority: 2                    Fault Frequency: 1                    Reset counter: 172                    Mileage: 1048575 km                    Time Indication: 0                    Date: 2005.09.13                    Time: 31:63:63             Freeze Frame:                        OFF                     Voltage: 12.25 V                        OFF                         OFF                         OFF                         OFF                         OFF 01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234)             004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent             Freeze Frame:                    Fault Status: 00100100                    Fault Priority: 2                    Fault Frequency: 1                    Reset counter: 172                    Mileage: 1048575 km                    Time Indication: 0                    Date: 2005.09.13                    Time: 31:63:63             Freeze Frame:                        ON                     Voltage: 11.55 V                        ON                         ON                         OFF                         OFF                         OFF 01314 - Engine Control Module             004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent             Freeze Frame:                    Fault Status: 00100100                    Fault Priority: 2                    Fault Frequency: 1                    Reset counter: 172                    Mileage: 1048575 km                    Time Indication: 0                    Date: 2005.09.13                    Time: 31:63:63             Freeze Frame:                        ON                     Voltage: 11.55 V                        ON                         ON                         OFF                         OFF                         OFF 01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)             004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent             Freeze Frame:                    Fault Status: 00100100                    Fault Priority: 2                    Fault Frequency: 1                    Reset counter: 172                    Mileage: 1048575 km                    Time Indication: 0                    Date: 2005.09.13                    Time: 31:63:63             Freeze Frame:                        ON                     Voltage: 11.55 V                        ON                         ON                         OFF                         OFF                         OFF 01309 - Power Steering Control Module (J500)             004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent             Freeze Frame:                    Fault Status: 00100100                    Fault Priority: 2                    Fault Frequency: 1                    Reset counter: 172                    Mileage: 1048575 km                    Time Indication: 0                    Date: 2005.09.13                    Time: 31:63:63             Freeze Frame:                        ON                     Voltage: 11.55 V                        ON                         ON                         OFF                         OFF                         OFF Saturday,09,February,2013,20:50:50:10074VCDS Version: Beta 11.2.0Data version: 20110305                Address 16: Steering wheel       Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lblControl Module Part Number: 1K0 953 549 BC    HW: 1K0 953 549 BC  Component and/or Version: Lenksäulenmodul 636 0070           Software Coding: 0000042            Work Shop Code: WSC 00028 028 00001                      VCID: 74E3D8E36C7B1 Fault Found:01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)         004 - No Signal/Communication - IntermittentSaturday,09,February,2013,20:51:14:10074VCDS Version: Beta 11.2.0Data version: 20110305                Address 42: Door Elect, Driver       Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lblControl Module Part Number: 1K0 959 701 N    HW: 1K0 959 701 N  Component and/or Version: Tuer-SG         006 120A           Software Coding: 0000182            Work Shop Code: WSC 00028 028 00001                      VCID: 397D29D70B993 Faults Found:01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)         004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)         004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234)         004 - No Signal/Communication - IntermittentSaturday,09,February,2013,20:51:40:10074VCDS Version: Beta 11.2.0Data version: 20110305                Address 46: Central Conv.       Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clbControl Module Part Number: 1K0 959 433 BT    HW: 1K0 959 433 BT  Component and/or Version:    KSG PQ35 G2  020 0204           Software Coding: 80900A005103487F2D028F0F7008CFC6F0FC40            Work Shop Code: WSC 10101 599 00000           Additional Info: 1K0951605D  LIN BACKUP HORN H07 9001   1K0951178A  Neigungssensor  003 0203              Additional Info: 1K0951178A  Innenraumueberw.003 0203                         VCID: 83010B3FB9D51 Fault Found:01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)             004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent             Freeze Frame:                    Fault Status: 00100100                    Fault Priority: 4                    Fault Frequency: 1                    Reset counter: 172                    Time Indication: 0Saturday,09,February,2013,20:52:05:10074VCDS Version: Beta 11.2.0Data version: 20110305                Address 52: Door Elect, Pass.       Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lblControl Module Part Number: 1K0 959 702 N    HW: 1K0 959 702 N  Component and/or Version: Tuer-SG         006 120A           Software Coding: 0000438            Work Shop Code: WSC 00028 028 00001                      VCID: 3A7F36DB0E9F3 Faults Found:01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)         004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)         004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234)         004 - No Signal/Communication - IntermittentSaturday,09,February,2013,20:52:37:10074VCDS Version: Beta 11.2.0Data version: 20110305                Address 56: Radio       Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clbControl Module Part Number: 3C8 035 190     HW: 3C8 035 190   Component and/or Version: Radio RCD510  040 0167           Software Coding: 0000040004            Work Shop Code: WSC 01357 011 00200                      VCID: E0CB24B348831 Fault Found:00821 - Antenna 2 for Radio (R93)             011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent             Freeze Frame:                    Fault Status: 00101011                    Fault Priority: 5                    Fault Frequency: 37                    Reset counter: 172                    Mileage: 73870 km                    Time Indication: 0                    Date: 2000.00.00                    Time: 11:13:46Saturday,09,February,2013,20:53:01:10074VCDS Version: Beta 11.2.0Data version: 20110305                Address 76: Park Assist       Labels: 1K0-919-283.lblControl Module Part Number: 1K0 919 283 A  Component and/or Version: 22 Einparkhilfe     0101           Software Coding:             Work Shop Code: WSC 00000 000 00000           Additional Info: Geraet 00000                      VCID: 2D550D87CFD11 Fault Found:01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)         004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

 

... adica pe scurt, nu mergea nimic Culmea e ca motorul functiona OK (deci excludem ECU?)

E prima data cand se intampla, am verificat dupa urme de apa/umezeala peste tot pe unde puteam vedea fire in compartimentul motorului, baterie, sigurantele din compartimentul motorului + sigurantele din interior - nimic ciudat. Sigurantele arata OK si nu este niciuna sarita.

Bateria are 12,7V cu motorul oprit, 13,7V cu el pornit. Nu a fost schimbata niciodata dar nu vad ce ar avea din moment ce a pornit fara probleme.

 

Si-a revenit singura in ... 1 ora sa zic ? Asta pana sa ajung eu sa pun vcds/verific ce puteam etc.

Ce mi-a sarit in ochi este faptul ca aveam eroare pe o singura usa (dreapta fata), de ce nu pe toate 4 ?

Iar cea cu antena este o eroare mai veche.

 

Nu-mi fac mari sperante sa-i vina cuiva vreo idee de la ce ar putea fi pentru ca sunt constient de gradul de "ciudatenie" a situatiei

Multumesc oricum, oricui incearca sa ajute/dea vreo idee.

[bysus]

Update soft gateway, se face la reprez si se rezolva.

[C Z R]

Vrei sa detaliezi putin ? Update ca ce ? Ca brusc dupa aproape 5 ani a fost 1 (o) problema ?

[Dexterino]

Desi nu am avut rabdarea necesara pt. a citi toate erorile sunt convins ca a intrat ceva apa/umezeala intr-o mufa (sau mai multe) din lantul de Can Bus,provocand scurtcircuitarea liniilor Can intre ele sau cu alte fire sau masa.Eroarea 004 No signal / Communication Intermittent prezenta cam peste tot asta imi sugereaza. In momentul cand apare un scurt pe liniile retelei Can,niciun modul legat la aceasat retea nu mai poate comunica si stocheaza erori. Eu m-as uita la mufa/mufele de la ECU sa vad daca prezinta urme de umezeala sau coroziune oricat de mici. Reteaua Can Bus e impartita in mai multe subretele, de ex. : Engine/ Powertrain: Convenience, etc. Primele 6 erori sunt toate legate de Engine/ Powertrain, toate modulele implicate sunt legate pe acelasi Can Bus.Ultimele 10 erori sunt pe Convenience,e posibil sa ai apa in usa dreapta,acolo unde ai si eroare. celelalte erori sunt impartite intre Engine si Convenience. Erorile de comunicare,ale interfetei de diagnostic J533 au aparut ca urmare a "blocarii" instrument cluster-ului care a fost probabil zapacit de problemele pe Can Bus.La platforma A4,(Golf 4 si fratii sai)  Can Gateway cea care face legatura intre toate Can-Bus-urile din masina e tot in IC,probabil si la Golf 5 e la fel.Referitor la martorii din bord care au ramas aprinsi,raspunsul e acelasi,IC blocat, pentru ca  fiecare martor e comandat de cate o iesire paralela a unor circuite integrate  convertoare serial - paralel (ca sa simplific), datele seriale venind din procesorul din Instrument Cluster,cel care era blocat. Sper ca explicatiile mele sa fie de ajutor :)

[manolovw]

 a ajuns apa in mufa la cangateway sau/si la ecu ,este parerea mea.....verifica daca nu ai jgeaburile de scurgere de la stergatoare infundate.

[C Z R]

O sa incep prin a verifica ECU. Stiu cum se ajunge la el, revin eu cu detalii.

CAN GW-ul pe G5 e sub bord nu e in IC dar imi vine greu sa cred ca avea cum sa ajunga apa acolo. O sa arunc o privire totusi :)

Mersi frumos Dexterino pt raspunsul tau :)

[Cib_B]

verifica si masa la caroserie, sau bornele la baterie cu tot cu clipsuri

[C Z R]

bornele de la baterie sunt in stare excelenta

[bysus]

Este o problema de soft din gateway. Nu cauta la ecu pentru ca daca intra apa in mufe iti mai functiona motorul? Deci revin, incearca un update la gateway.

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Modificat 10 Februarie, 2013 de bysus

[adyp2003]

Si mie mi se zapacise din senin masina in urma cu 3 ani dupa ce o lasasem pe avarie vreo 30 de minute.

Dupa ce o pornisem, parca era zombie. Ventilatoare turate la maxim, instrument cluster zapacit...

S-a rezolvat prin update de gateway.

[C Z R]

update de soft la gateway sau schimbat gateway (fizic) ?

[Cib_B]

atunci ramane udate soft sau inlocuire gateway

[adyp2003]

A fost update de soft pentru gateway.

Nu mi-au schimbat nici o piesa, fizic vorbind.

 

Problema mea a fost recunoscuta imediat de cei din service dupa ce le-am povestit ca am lasat masina pe avarie. Incearca sa intrebi proprietarul daca nu cumva a folosit avaria cateva minute inainte sa o ia razna. Ca sa descriu pana la capat comportamentul in cazul meu, ventilatoarele se turau la maxim permanent cand foloseam masina, pana sa ajung in service. De aceea, nu stiu sigur daca ai aceeasi duda, insa imi par inrudite.

 

Uite cum arata gw meu dupa reflash:

Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 AD    HW: 1K0 907 951  
   Component: J533  Gateway   H07 0111   
   Revision:   H07 01    Serial number: 070308F1004946
   Coding: E9817F06000202000002
   Shop #: WSC 10184 599 72340

[adyp2003]

I-ati dat de cap pana la urma?

[gheorghita]

Ai exact situatia sigurantelor ca si la mine 1.9 tdi 77kw   BKC, nu?  e siguranta SB19/SB8 adica cea de 15 A albastra din dreapta, deasupra celor mari. Dar schema mi se pare ca este alta...     http://postimage.org/image/8gojpl13j

Mie nu mi se inchidea rns-ul din can-bus si raminea un curent rezidual.  Poti pune un ampermetru in serie pe borna bateriei si dupa ce inchizi din telecomanda (sa ai pus si zavorul capotei) si se stabilizeaza curentul scoti acea siguranta sa verifici.

Modificat 11 Aprilie, 2013 de gheorghita

[raveboy]

Salut,

 

Azi am schimbat bateria si la ceva timp am observat ca nu-mi mai functioneaza nimic electric pe partea dreapta(usi blocate pe inchis,geamuri,semnal oglinda,reglaj oglinda,incalzire oglinda).

La o scanare am rezultatul atasat.

In scan apare si o problema la stergatoare care nu functionau si dupa ceva timp (30 min) au inceput sa mearga.

Masina nu avea nicio problema inainte de schimbatul bateriei si am verificat toate sigurantele :( nu este arsa niciuna.

 

Help?!?

Log.txt

[andrei_221]

poti accesa calculatoarele de pe usile din dreapta ?

[raveboy]

Dupa cum scrie in log ... nu:(

[Dexterino]

Cel mai simplu ar fi sa stergi erorile si sa vezi daca si care reapar ( daca nu ai facut asta deja) In functie de rezultate vedem ce e de facut. Unele din erori sunt din cauza tensiunii prea mici din bateria veche.

[Al Bundy]

Schimba in prima faza, calculatorul usii din dreapta.

[maxyone]

Poate vorbesc prostii...ceva sigurante arse?

[Al Bundy]

NU.

[AlexAZA]

Salut,

 

Am si eu o problema similara...de cateva zila nu mi se mai aprinde bordul, lumina nu merge ceasurile din bord nu merg, nici minidot , e absolut mort, masina porneste si merge foarte bine , de asemenea aerul conditionat "climatic" nu mai baga rece, porneste ventilatorul si atat !

 

Are idee cineva care ar putea fi cauza ?

 

Multumesc

[Al Bundy]

FA o diagnoza si vezi exact despre ce este vorba. altfel, doar sa dam in bobi.

[AlexAZA]

Maine ma duc la diagnoza cu ea. Revin dupa. Seara buna