Passat B6 2006 2.0 TDI 122 Cp - porneste greu, apoi nu trage

[Al Bundy]

Aduc in discutie urmatoarea problema:

masina cu datele de mai sus, porneste greu la cald si dupa ce ECU comanda inchiderea EGR, valoarea masei de aer citita in bloc de masura 003 camp 2 urca de la 300 la 1338 , la fel si valorile pe injectoarele 3 si 4. In cele 2 min de mers la ralanti valorile sunt OK. Daca se scoate mufa de la debitmetru (acesta fiind nou) motorul porneste mai bine dar masina nu trage.

posibil sa fie problema de soft ?

In print valorile pe injectoarele 3 si 4 inca nu crescusera cat sa dea eroare.

2 Faults Found:

17675 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 3 (N242): Regulation Range Exceeded

P1267 - 006 - Short to Plus

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 01100001

Fault Priority: 0

Fault Frequency: 1

Reset counter: 82

Mileage: 143100 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2000.00.00

Time: 21:07:15

Freeze Frame:

RPM: 800 /min

Text: 24 Nm

Speed: 0.0 km/h

Load: 67.8 %

Text: 5.875 uF

Text: 13.00 mJ

Text: 12 mJ

40.96 %

17678 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 4 (N243): Regulation Range Exceeded

P1270 - 006 - Short to Plus

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 01100001

Fault Priority: 0

Fault Frequency: 1

Reset counter: 82

Mileage: 143100 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2000.00.00

Time: 21:07:26

Freeze Frame:

RPM: 800 /min

Text: 24 Nm

Speed: 0.0 km/h

Load: 67.1 %

Text: 6.000 uF

Text: 14.00 mJ

Text: 12 mJ

40.96 %

Astea sunt cele 2 erori care apar.

egr closed.bmp

Modificat 2 Mai, 2011 de Al Bundy

[asap03]

http://vwforum.vwfor...urbina-si-soft/

Vezi postul #16

Deci teoretic poti avea si la relanti valoarea aia mare la egr specificat daca ecu injecteaza 51 mg la relanti

Eu cred ca valoarea egr specificat creste din cauza erorilor pe injectoare si nu invers. Pe wiki ross tech zice sa te uiti si la grupul 018 pt. cele 2 erori pe injectoare. Nu am vcds in fata si nu stiu ce reprezinta.

http://wiki.ross-tec...75/P1267/004711

Cand prinzi valoarea mare la EGR specificat, uita-te si in grupul 001 campul 2 sa vezi cata motorina comanda ECU sa se injecteze

Modificat 3 Mai, 2011 de asap03

[draganuta]

Al Bundy:

Posteaza o scanare a modulului Engine, pt. a putea sa-ti spun la ce versiune de SW a ajuns fabrica la tipul respectiv de motor.

[Al Bundy]

Multumesc de raspunsuri, o sa-l chem inapoi si o sa fac printscreen pe la toate blocurile de masura si versiunea de soft.

Uite si versiunea

Monday,02,May,2011,21:12:40:48211

VCDS Version: Beta 11.2.0

Al Bundy

Address 01: Engine Labels: NONE

Control Module Part Number: 03G 906 018 CA HW: 03G 906 018

Component and/or Version: R4 2.0l PPD1.1 G 9726

Software Coding: 0000072

Work Shop Code: WSC 01996 202 82053

VCID: 66C85D102AA7

Modificat 4 Mai, 2011 de Al Bundy

[Al Bundy]

Revin cu noutati:

masina porneste foarte greu la cald, trebuie dat la automat vreo 7 secunde, nu accepta cod de login sau security acces pentru a face adaptarea dew pornire la cald, softul de pe ECU are 2 rescreri. Am facut si cateva loguri.

Dupa ce data trecuta am sters erorile, acum au aparut astea:

Thursday,05,May,2011,16:02:00:48211

VCDS Version: Beta 11.2.0

Al Bundy

Address 01: Engine Labels: None

Control Module Part Number: 03G 906 018 CA HW: 03G 906 018

Component and/or Version: R4 2.0l PPD1.1 G 9726

Software Coding: 0000072

Work Shop Code: WSC 01996 202 82053

VCID: 66C85D102AA7

6 Faults Found:

17675 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 3 (N242): Regulation Range Exceeded

P1267 - 006 - Short to Plus - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00100001

Fault Priority: 0

Fault Frequency: 23

Reset counter: 82

Mileage: 143100 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2000.00.00

Time: 22:01:35

Freeze Frame:

RPM: 800 /min

Text: 16 Nm

Speed: 47.0 km/h

Load: 68.6 %

Text: 5.750 uF

Text: 9.50 mJ

Text: 12 mJ

0 mg/km

17678 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 4 (N243): Regulation Range Exceeded

P1270 - 006 - Short to Plus - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00100001

Fault Priority: 0

Fault Frequency: 28

Reset counter: 82

Mileage: 143100 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2000.00.00

Time: 22:01:46

Freeze Frame:

RPM: 768 /min

Text: 24 Nm

Speed: 48.0 km/h

Load: 68.2 %

Text: 5.875 uF

Text: 11.50 mJ

Text: 12 mJ

0 mg/km

17674 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 3 (N242): Implausible Signal

P1266 - 006 - Short to Plus - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00100001

Fault Priority: 0

Fault Frequency: 111

Reset counter: 82

Mileage: 143101 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2000.00.00

Time: 22:08:59

Freeze Frame:

RPM: 1792 /min

Text: 320 Nm

Speed: 13.0 km/h

Load: 58.8 %

Text: 6.000 uF

Time: 0.00 ms

Text: 0.00 mJ

17677 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 4 (N243): Implausible Signal

P1269 - 006 - Short to Plus - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00100001

Fault Priority: 0

Fault Frequency: 106

Reset counter: 82

Mileage: 143109 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2000.00.00

Time: 22:22:38

Freeze Frame:

RPM: 1824 /min

Text: 64 Nm

Speed: 34.0 km/h

Load: 55.7 %

Text: 6.125 uF

Time: 0.00 ms

Text: 0.00 mJ

16487 - Mass Air Flow Sensor (G70): Signal too High

P0103 - 006 - Short to Plus - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00000001

Fault Priority: 1

Fault Frequency: 12

Reset counter: 94

Mileage: 143362 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2000.00.00

Time: 14:08:54

Freeze Frame:

RPM: 0 /min

Text: 0 Nm

Speed: 0.0 km/h

Text: 0.0 %

Voltage: 12.32 V

Text: 846 mg/stk

Text: 0 kg/h

17669 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 1 (N240): Regulation Range Exceeded

P1261 - 006 - Short to Plus - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00100001

Fault Priority: 0

Fault Frequency: 8

Reset counter: 84

Mileage: 143126 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2000.00.00

Time: 10:31:07

Freeze Frame:

RPM: 1792 /min

Text: 0 Nm

Speed: 74.0 km/h

Load: 68.2 %

Text: 5.625 uF

Text: 14.00 mJ

Text: 12 mJ

0 mg/km

Clapeta de shutt-off e defecta, dar debitmetrul e NOU. si firele sunt OK.

Ceva sfaturi? Am vazut ca la cresterea valorii la debitmetru nu se modifica cantitatea de motorina injectata.

LOG-01-001-002-003 passat.xls

LOG-01-003-010-011 passat.xls

[asap03]

Am gasit un caz foarte asemanator pe TDIClub la un golf 2003 TDI 130 PD.

Din ce am inteles eu, grupul 018 iti indica ca injectoarele 3 si 4 is cu probleme, in sensul ca ele primesc comanda de la ECU dar ia prea mult timp ca injectoarele respective sa raspunda. Ai putea verifica daca muti injectorul 4 pe pozitia 1 si apoi vezi daca in grupul 018 la injectorul 1 e valoarea 999 si respectiv la injectorul 4 devine 0. Daca nu se intampla asa, e posibil sa fie problema electrica la injectoarele de pe pozitiile 3 si 4 (fire, contacte).

Tipul cu problema a zis ca a gasit pompa din rezervor infundata si filtrul de motorina infundat. Dupa 20 - 30k km filtrul de motorina e oricum negru, deci nu stiu cat de pertinenta e afirmatia. Oricum, concluzia neconfirmata a fost ca din cauza ca nu s-a inlocuit filtrul de motorina la timp s-au distrus cele 2 injectoare. Aviz amatorilor!

http://forums.tdiclu...ad.php?t=315379

LE: ciudat e ca si la tipul de pe TDIClub tot la injectoarele 3 si 4 era problema; sa fie o simpla coincidenta? Poate stiu cei de la reprezentanta ceva mai mult si pana la urma sa fie o problema de soft, cum ai spus si tu de la inceput...

Modificat 6 Mai, 2011 de asap03

[Al Bundy]

MA uit acum si eu pe cele 7 erori din nou si vad ca la inj 2 nu apare niciodata eroare, si al 3 si 4 apare si semnal implauzibil si reg range excedeed, Sa fie oare din cablajul care duce la injectoare ?

[asap03]

Conform wiki ross-tech poate fi de la cablajul injectoarelor. Mai zice de asemenea ca valoarea emisiilor e crescuta (ma gandesc la acel 1388.8 ciudat)

http://wiki.ross-tec...78/P1270/004720

Interesant e ca am gasit un caz in care eroarea a aparut pe cilindrul 4 de la un tuning-box. Dupa ce a deconectat tuning-box-ul nu mai facea overfuelling pe injectorul 4 (posturile 8 - 12)

http://briskoda.net/...pretating-them/

Modificat 7 Mai, 2011 de asap03

[asap03]

Am mai gasit interpretarea grupului 018. Dar codurile astea insumate toate nu dau 999...

018. Injector Status

1. Injector Status, Cylinder 1. 000

2. Injector Status, Cylinder 2. 000

3. Injector Status, Cylinder 3. 000

4. Injector Status, Cylinder 4. 000

The code is the sum of any of the fault codes below.

000 = No Faults detected

002 = Control while Starting

004 = Small Injection Quantity or Injector faulty

008 = Maximum Current reached

016 = Begin of Injection Period (BIP) out of Specification

032 = Samples too low

064 = Conversion Error

128 = Begin of Injection Period (BIP) not possible

Modificat 8 Mai, 2011 de asap03

[Al Bundy]

Alte idei, ceva ?

[geoland87]

Al Bundy cum ai scapat de erorii ? eu am ceva asemanator 

 

1 Fault Found:
17675 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 3 (N242)
            P1267 - 006 - Regulation Range Exceeded - Intermittent
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 00100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 2
                    Reset counter: 59
                    Mileage: 32638 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2022.14.12
                    Time: 05:30:51

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 1600 /min
                    Text:     72    Nm           
                    Speed: 68.0 km/h
                    Load: 77.6 %
                    Text:  4.875    uF           
                    Text: 14.00    mJ            
                    Text:      9    mJ           
                    Raw, Form. N/A: 000 000 000

[eneamihai24]

Salutare, de curand la o scanare cu VCDS-ul vad ca mi-a aparut o eroare asemanatoare. Aceeasi intrebare o pun.., respectiv daca are cineva ideea cu rezolvarea ei? Specific ca pana acum nu am observat nimic ciudat in functionarea motorului. Multumesc!

 

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010

Adress 01: Engine        Labels: 03G-906-018-BKP.clb

   Part No SW: 03G 906 018 FG    HW: 03G 906 018 FG

   Component: R4 2.0l PPD1.5 G    0907  

   Revision: --H55---    Serial number: VWZCZ000000000

   Coding: 0000072

   Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032

   VCID: 6FED353E7E3D01667D9-803A

 

1 Fault Found:

004711 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 3 (N242) 

               P1267 - 006 - Regulation Range Exceeded

             Freeze Frame:

                    Fault Status: 01100001

                    Fault Priority: 0

                    Fault Frequency: 8

                    Reset counter: 40

                    Mileage: 132767 km

                    Time Indication: 0

                    Date: 2016.10.25

                    Time: 18:02:37

 

             Freeze Frame:

                    RPM: 1408 /min

                    Torque: 8.0 Nm

                    Speed: 55.0 km/h

                        76.44 %

                    Text:  4.750    uF            

                    Text: 15.50    mJ             

                    Text:      6    mJ            

                    Raw, Form. N/A: 000 000 000

 

Readiness: N/A

[Al Bundy]

verifica firele din mufa injectorului, verifica injectorul. CAt este corectia pe el ?

 

[eneamihai24]

maine o sa verific cablajul. Corectia in ce bloc o pot verifica? nu sunt chiar asa experimentat. ms

[17LIR]

porneste ok, la sfert de cheie dar nu trage .

Erorile se sterg dar dupa o cursa mica reapar aleator sau toate odata . 

Nu cred ca ar fi de la firele injectoarelor .

Address 01: Engine        Labels: 038-906-019-AVB.lbl
   Part No: 038 906 019 GK
   Component: 1,9l R4 EDC 0000SG  1494  
   Coding: 00002
   Shop #: WSC 05314  
   VCID: 66C9C77102CE397226-4B18
   WVWZZZ3BZ2E312112     VWZ7Z0A4466869

5 Faults Found:
17664 - Engine Coolant Temp Sensor (G62) 
            P1256 - 35-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
17675 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 3 (N242) 
            P1267 - 35-10 - Regulation Range Exceeded - Intermittent
17672 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 2 (N241) 
            P1264 - 35-10 - Regulation Range Exceeded - Intermittent
17678 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 4 (N243) 
            P1270 - 35-10 - Regulation Range Exceeded - Intermittent
17669 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 1 (N240) 
            P1261 - 35-10 - Regulation Range Exceeded - Intermittent
Readiness: 0 0 X X X 

------------------------------------------------------

o idee ? a mai avut cienva problema asta ?

5 Faults Found:

17664 - Engine Coolant Temp Sensor (G62) 
            P1256 - 35-00 - Open or Short to Plus
17964 - Charge Pressure Control 
            P1556 - 35-00 - Negative Deviation
17675 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 3 (N242) 
            P1267 - 35-00 - Regulation Range Exceeded
17672 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 2 (N241) 
            P1264 - 35-00 - Regulation Range Exceeded
17678 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 4 (N243) 
            P1270 - 35-00 - Regulation Range Exceeded

Readiness: 0 0 X X X

Modificat 4 August, 2020 de skodita100

[bysus]

Schimba toate injectoarele.

Modificat 4 August, 2020 de bysus

[vlahdacoroman]

verifica cablajul injectoarelor pentru inceput!

[andrewandy01]

A gasit cineva o solutie concreta pentru asta?Mentionez ca valorile injectoarelor sunt bune.Cineva mi a spus ca acestea sunt de la avansul distributiei deoarece eu am injectia setata dupa ce pistonul ajunge sus,nu stiu daca este asta deoarece am masina de 2 ani si nu i am facut distributia iar problema o am de un an..

13:05:20 Group 001: Injection Quantity
  850 /min  Engine Speed (G28)
  5.1 mg/str  Injection Quantity 
  2.8°KW  Injection Duration (specified)
  40.0°C  Coolant Temperature (G62)

13:05:20 Group 004: Unit Injector
  853 /min  Engine Speed (G28)
  0.9 °ATDC  Injection Start (specified)
  2.8°KW  Injection Duration (specified)
  0.00°  Torsion Value 

13:05:20 Group 013: Idle Stabilization (Injection Quantity Deviation)
  -0.25 mg/str  Injection Quantity Deviation Cyl. 1
  -0.22 mg/str  Injection Quantity Deviation Cyl. 2
  0.38 mg/str  Injection Quantity Deviation Cyl. 3
  0.09 mg/str  Injection Quantity Deviation Cyl. 4

 

4 Faults Found:
17675 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 3 (N242) 
            P1267 - 006 - Regulation Range Exceeded
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 206
                    Mileage: 217750 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.12.29
                    Time: 19:06:00

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 832 /min
                    Text:     24    Nm            
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 75.3 %
                    Text:  5.250    uF            
                    Text:  9.25    mJ             
                    Text:     12    mJ            
                    Warm or Cold: Warm

17672 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 2 (N241) 
            P1264 - 006 - Regulation Range Exceeded
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 206
                    Mileage: 217750 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.12.29
                    Time: 19:06:16

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 832 /min
                    Text:     24    Nm            
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 76.1 %
                    Text:  5.125    uF            
                    Text: 11.50    mJ             
                    Text:     11    mJ            
                    Warm or Cold: Warm

17669 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 1 (N240) 
            P1261 - 006 - Regulation Range Exceeded
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 206
                    Mileage: 217750 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.12.29
                    Time: 19:07:00

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 832 /min
                    Text:     24    Nm            
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 74.5 %
                    Text:  5.250    uF            
                    Text: 14.25    mJ             
                    Text:     12    mJ            
                    Warm or Cold: Warm

17678 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 4 (N243) 
            P1270 - 006 - Regulation Range Exceeded
             Freeze Frame:
                    Fault Status: 01100001
                    Fault Priority: 0
                    Fault Frequency: 1
                    Reset counter: 206
                    Mileage: 217750 km
                    Time Indication: 0
                    Date: 2020.12.29
                    Time: 19:08:10

             Freeze Frame:
                    RPM: 832 /min
                    Text:     24    Nm            
                    Speed: 0.0 km/h
                    Load: 75.7 %
                    Text:  5.000    uF            
                    Text: 15.50    mJ             
                    Text:      8    mJ            
                    Warm or Cold: Warm