AXR TDI PD 101 CP - euro3 sau euro4 ?

[vw23lst]

in decembrie 2007 am fost la RAR cu VW Bora, 19.01.2002, motor AXR, si a iesit E3, din barfe auzite la fata locului, cica se pot face modificari in brief masini in momentul in care cumperi masina de dincolo si se poate pune E4 in loc de E3 UND D4, doar in cazul masinilor cu aceasta specificatie.

[11 cdi]

Pana la urma se vede ca nu e vorba de masina si de ce da r.a.r. ..Dk ei o vad eur 3 asa dau , dar eu cred ca norma corecta e eur 4, nu pt. ca am io , dar daca dai la una asa automat se creeaza un precedent, iar io toate axr-urile care le stiu au iesit eur 4 . trebuia sa faceti cartea si certificatu" la Tg-Jiu , astia or sunt mai prosti si dau eur4 or stiu mai bine si-l dau asa. :Driver:

[MariusAP]

Oricum, trebuie facuta diferenta si de ce scrie in brief. Sunt motoare AXR trecute in brief cu Euro 4 si altele cu Euro 3 und D4. Cele care sunt trecute cu Euro 4 in brief primesc si de la RAR E4. Problema e cu cele Euro 3 und D4. Asa e si a mea, din 2003 si am primit doar Euro 3 :) NU DA MITA ... puteam sa le dau la stia de la RAR si 300 de euro si 300 imi ramaneau... de la taxa de prima inmatriculare... diferenta intre E3 si E4 e de mai bine de 600 de euro, daca nu ma insel... NU DATI MITA :)

[enrico]

Masina mea fabricata 11. 2002 motor AXR (101CP,PD)iesita ca 2003, la RAR - Euro3

[Azazell]

sper sa ajute asta... :icon_thumright:

....informatia de mai jos era prezentata in tabel pe 3 coloane in documentul original...observati ca fiecare rand prezinta 3 valori pentru fiecare tip de motor(nu am putut face uploud la documentul original,asa ca am copiat textul din el)

Engine code AEH AGN AGU

Engines ⇒ Petrol engine Petrol engine Petrol engine

Manufactured from 10.97 from 10.97 from 10.97

Exhaust emissions fulfil EU2 standard D3 standard → Note D3 standard → Note

Exhaust gas warning lamp no no no

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 4 / 2 4 / 2 4 / 2

Capacity I 1.6 1.8 1.8

Output kW at rpm 74/5600 92/5900 110/5700

Torque Nm at rpm 145/3800 170/3500 210/3750 to 4600

Bore Ø mm 81.0 81.0 81.0

Stroke mm 77.4 86.4 86.4

Compression ratio 10.3 10.3 9.5

Injection/ignition Simos 2.2 Motronic M 3.8.5 Motronic M 3.8.5

RON min. 95 Super unleaded → Note 95 Super unleaded → Note 95 Super unleaded → Note

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation yes yes yes

Exhaust gas recirculation no no no

Turbocharged no no yes

Engine code AGZ AHW AKL

Engines ⇒ Petrol engine Petrol engine Petrol engine

Manufactured from 10.97 from 10.97 from 10.97

Exhaust emissions fulfil D3 standard EU 2 D3 standard

Exhaust gas warning lamp no no no

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 5 / 2 4 / 4 4 / 2

Capacity I 2.3 1.4 1.6

Output kW at rpm 110/6000 55/5000 74/5600

Torque Nm at rpm 205/3200 131/3200 145/3800

Bore Ø mm 81.0 76.5 81.0

Stroke mm 90.2 75.6 77.4

Compression ratio 10.0 10.5 10.3

Injection/ignition Motronic M 3.8.3 Magneti Marelli 4 AV Simos 2.2

RON min. 95 Super unleaded → Note 95 Super unleaded → Note 95 Super unleaded → Note

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation yes yes yes

Exhaust gas recirculation no yes no

Turbocharged no no no

Engine code AKQ APE APF

Engines ⇒ Petrol engine Petrol engine Petrol engine

Manufactured From 10.97 From 05.99 From 05.99

Exhaust emissions fulfil D3 standard D4 standard D4 standard

Exhaust gas warning lamp no no no

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 4 / 4 4 / 4 4 / 2

Capacity I 1.4 1.4 1.6

Output kW at rpm 55/5000 55/5000 74/5600

Torque Nm at rpm 131/3200 126/3800 145/3800

Bore Ø mm 76.5 76.5 81.0

Stroke mm 75.6 75.6 77.4

Compression ratio 10.5 10.5 10.3

Injection/ignition Magneti Marelli 4 AV Motronic ME 7.5.10 Simos 3.3

RON min. 95 Super unleaded → Note 95 Super unleaded → Note 95 Super unleaded → Note

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation yes yes yes

Exhaust gas recirculation yes yes yes

Turbocharged no no no

Engine code APK AQA AQN

Engines ⇒ Petrol engine Petrol engine Petrol engine

Manufactured From 11.98 From 09.98 From 10.00

Exhaust emissions fulfil EU2 D3 standard EU 4

Exhaust gas warning lamp no no yes

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 4 / 2 4 / 5 5 / 4

Capacity I 2.0 1.8 2.3

Output kW at rpm 85/5200 110/5700 125/6200

Torque Nm at rpm 170/2400 210/1750 ... 4600 220/3300

Bore Ø mm 82.5 81.0 81.0

Stroke mm 92.8 86.4 90.3

Compression ratio 10.5 9.5 10.5

Injection/ignition Motronic M 5.9.2 Motronic ME 7.5 Motronic ME 7.1

RON min. 95 Super unleaded → Note 95 Super unleaded → Note 98 Super unleaded → Note

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation yes yes yes

Exhaust gas recirculation no no no

Turbocharged no yes no

Engine code AQP AQY ARZ

Engines ⇒ Petrol engine Petrol engine Petrol engine

Manufactured From 09.99 from 10.98 From 09.99

Exhaust emissions fulfil D3 standard D4 standard D4 standard

Exhaust gas warning lamp no no no

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 6 / 2 4 / 2 4 / 5

Capacity I 2.8 2.0 1.8

Output kW at rpm 150/6200 85/5200 110/5700

Torque Nm at rpm 270/3200 170/240 210/3750 ... 4600

Bore Ø mm 81.0 82.5 81.0

Stroke mm 90.3 92.8 86.4

Compression ratio 10.5 10.5 9.5

Injection/ignition Motronic ME 7.1 Motronic M 5.9.2 Motronic ME 7.5

RON min. 98 Super unleaded → Note 95 unleaded → Note 95 unleaded → Note

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation yes yes yes

Exhaust gas recirculation no no no

Turbocharged no no yes

Engine code ATN AUE AUM

Engines ⇒ Petrol engine Petrol engine Petrol engine

Manufactured from 02.00 from 02.00 from 10.00

Exhaust emissions fulfil D 4 standard EU 4 standard EU 4 standard

Exhaust gas warning lamp no yes → Note yes

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 4 / 4 6 / 4 4 / 5

Capacity I 1.6 2.8 1.8

Output kW at rpm 77/5700 150/6200 110/5700

Torque Nm at rpm 148/4500 270/3200 210/1750 ... 4600

Bore Ø mm 76.5 81.076.5 81.0

Stroke mm 86.9 90.3 86.4

Compression ratio 11.5 10.5 9.5

Injection/ignition Magneti Marelli 4LV Motronic Me 7.1 Motronic ME 7.5

RON min. 98 unleaded → Note 98 unleaded → Note 95 unleaded → Note

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation yes yes yes

Exhaust gas recirculation yes no no

Turbocharged no no yes

Engine code AUQ AUS AVU

Engines ⇒ Petrol engine Petrol engine Petrol engine

Manufactured from 06.01 from 05.00 from 07.00

Exhaust emissions fulfil EU 4 EU 4 EU 4

Exhaust emissions lamp yes yes yes

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 4 / 5 4 / 4 4 / 2

Capacity I 1.8 1.6 1.6

Output kW at rpm 132/5500 77/5700 75/3800

Torque Nm at rpm 235/1950 ... 5000 148/4500 148/3800

Bore Ø mm 81.0 76.5 81.0

Stroke mm 86.4 86.9 77.4

Compression ratio 9.5 11.5 10.2

Injection/ignition Motronic ME 7.5 Magneti Marelli 4 LV Simos 3.3

RON min. 95 unleaded → Note 98 unleaded → Note 95 unleaded → Note

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation yes yes yes

Exhaust gas recirculation no yes yes

Turbocharged yes no no

Engine code AXP AZD AZH

Engines ⇒ Petrol engine Petrol engine Petrol engine

Manufactured from 05.00 from 09.00 from 09.00

Exhaust emissions fulfil EU 4 EU 4 EU 4

Exhaust emissions lamp yes yes yes

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 4 / 4 4 / 4 4 / 2

Capacity I 1.4 1.6 2.0

Output kW at rpm 55/5000 77/5700 85/5400

Torque Nm at rpm 128/3300 148/4500 170/2400

Bore Ø mm 76.5 76.5 82.5

Stroke mm 75.6 86.9 92.8

Compression ratio 10.5 11.5 10.5

Injection/ignition Motronic ME 7.5 Magneti Marelli 4 MV Motronic ME 7.5

RON min. 95 unleaded → Note 98 unleaded → Note 95 unleaded → Note

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation ja yes yes

Exhaust gas recirculation yes yes no

Turbocharged no no no

Engine code AZJ BAD BCA

Engines ⇒ Petrol engine Petrol engine Petrol engine

Manufactured from 05.01 from 10.01 from 01.02

Exhaust emissions fulfil EU 4 EU 4 EU 4

Exhaust emissions lamp yes yes yes

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 4 / 2 4 / 4 4 / 4

Capacity I 2.0 1.6 1.4

Output kW at rpm 85/5400 81/5800 55/5000

Torque Nm at rpm 172/3200 155/4400 126/3300

Bore Ø mm 82.5 76.5 76.5

Stroke mm 92.8 86.9 75.6

Compression ratio 10.5 11.5 10.5

Injection/ignition Motronic ME 7.5 Motronic MED 7 Motronic ME 7.5

RON min. 95 unleaded → Note 98 unleaded → Note 95 unleaded → Note

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation yes yes yes

Exhaust gas recirculation no yes yes

Turbocharged no no no

Engine code BCB BDE BEH

Engines ⇒ Petrol engine Petrol engine Petrol engine

Manufactured from 11.01 from 05.01 from 09.01

Exhaust emissions fulfil EU 4 EU 4 EU 4

Exhaust emissions lamp yes yes yes

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 4 / 4 6 / 4 4 / 2

Capacity I 1.6 2.8 2.0

Output kW at rpm 77/5700 150/6200 85/5400

Torque Nm at rpm 148/4500 270/3200 172/3200

Bore Ø mm 76.5 81.0 82.5

Stroke mm 86.9 90.3 92.8

Compression ratio 11.5 10.5 10.5

Injection/ignition Magneti Marelli 4 MV Motronic ME 7.1.1 Motronic ME 7.1.1

RON min. 98 unleaded → Note 98 unleaded → Note 98 unleaded → Note

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation yes yes yes

Exhaust gas recirculation yes no yes

Turbocharged no no no

Engine code BFH BFQ

Engines ⇒ Petrol engine Petrol engine

Manufactured from 06.02 from 05.01

Exhaust emissions fulfil EU 4 EU 4

Exhaust emissions lamp yes yes

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 6 / 4 4 / 2

Capacity I 3.2 1.6

Output kW at rpm 177/6200 75/5600

Torque Nm at rpm 320/3200 148/3800

Bore Ø mm 84.0 81.0

Stroke mm 95.9 77.4

Compression ratio 11.25 10.5

Injection/ignition Motronic ME 7.1.1 Simos 3.3

RON min. 98 unleaded → Note 95 unleaded → Note

Self-diagnosis yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes

Lambda regulation yes yes

Exhaust gas recirculation no yes

Turbocharged no no

Engine code AGP AGR AHF

Engines ⇒ Diesel engine Diesel engine Diesel engine

Manufactured from 10.97 from 10.97 from 10.97

Exhaust emissions fulfil EU 2 EU 2 EU 2

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 4 / 2 4 / 2 4 / 2

Capacity I 1.9 1.9 1.9

Output kW at rpm 50/4200 66/4000 81/41500

Torque Nm at rpm 133/2200 ... 2600 210/1900 235/1900

Bore Ø mm 79.5 79.5 79.5

Stroke mm 95.5 95.5 95.5

Compression ratio 19.5 19.5 19.5

Injection/ignition SDI TDI TDI

CN min. 49 49 49

EPC system yes yes yes

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation no no no

Exhaust gas recirculation yes yes yes

Turbocharged no yes yes

Charge air cooling no yes yes

Engine code AJM ALH AQM

Engines ⇒ Diesel engine Diesel engine Diesel engine

Manufactured From 05.99 from 10.97 from 11.98

Exhaust emissions fulfil D3 standard D3 standard D3 standard

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 4 / 2 4 / 2 4 / 2

Capacity I 1.9 1.9 1.9

Output kW at rpm 85/4000 66/3750 50/4200

Torque Nm at rpm 285/1900 210/1900 133/2200 ... 2600

Bore Ø mm 79.5 79.5 79.5

Stroke mm 95.5 95.5 95.5

Compression ratio 18.0 19.5 19.5

Injection/ignition TDI (unit injector) TDI SDI

CN min. 49 49 49

EPC system yes yes yes

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation no no no

Exhaust gas recirculation yes yes yes

Turbocharged yes yes no

Charge air cooling yes yes no

Engine code ARL ASV ASZ

Engines ⇒ Diesel engine Diesel engine Diesel engine

Manufactured from 09.00 From 09.99 from 11.00

Exhaust emissions fulfil EU 3 D3 standard EU 3

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 4 / 2 4 / 2 4 / 2

Capacity I 1.9 1.9 1.9

Output kW at rpm 110/4000 81/4000 96/4000

Torque Nm at rpm 320/1900 235/1900 310/1900

Bore Ø mm 79.5 79.5 79.5

Stroke mm 95.5 95.5 95.5

Compression ratio 19.5 19.5 19.00

Injection/ignition TDI (unit injector) TDI TDI (unit injector)

CN min. 49 49 49

EPC system yes yes yes

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation no no no

Exhaust gas recirculation yes yes yes

Turbocharged yes yes yes

Charge air cooling yes yes yes

Engine code ATD AUY AXR

Engines ⇒ Diesel engine Diesel engine Diesel engine

Manufactured from 02.00 from 05.00 from 05.01

Exhaust emissions fulfil EU 3 EU 3 EU 3 + D4 standard

No. of cylinders / valves per cylinder 4 / 2 4 / 2 4 / 2

Capacity I 1.9 1.9 1.9

Output kW at rpm 74/4000 85/4000 74/4000

Torque Nm at rpm 240/1800 ... 2400 310/1900 240/1800 ... 2400

Bore Ø mm 79.5 79.5 79.5

Stroke mm 95.5 95.5 95.5

Compression ratio 19.0 18.0 19.00

Injection/ignition TDI (unit injector) TDI (unit injector) TDI (unit injector)

CN min. 49 49 49

EPC system yes yes yes

Self-diagnosis yes yes yes

Catalytic converter yes yes yes

Lambda regulation no no no

Exhaust gas recirculation yes yes yes

Turbocharged yes yes yes

Charge air cooling yes yes yes

1) From 05.98

2) Also possible to use unleaded RON 91 but with reduced output

3) Exhaust gas warning lamp fitted but not operational

4) Super unleaded RON 95 also permitted, but with reduced output

Modificat 22 Ianuarie, 2008 de Azazell

[sile802002]

AXR 101 caluti, 05.2003, pe brief E3&D4 = euro 3. si mie mi se pare putin probabil sa fie euro4. inainte sa plec dupa masina am fost avertizat de dificultatile intampinate la RAR daca in brief apare doar D3 sau D4, daca apare in combinatie cu norma euro nu sunt probleme.

respectele mele.

[iulygolf]

golf, AXR 101 Cp, E3 & D4 din a-10-2002, iesit 2003 cu norma E3 :(

[capusel]

Eu am AXR 08.2003 Euro 4,in Brief iar un coleg de munca are EURO 3 tot AXR,tot 74 kw numai ca e mai veche cu vreo 6 luni

[basile27ro]

al meu vw e fabricatie 2002, intrat in tara 2003. e tot un axr 101CP tdi, E3 und D4, RAR-ul Baia Mare mi l-a catalogat ca fiind E4, si am platit in Februarie taxa ca atare( adica 940E ).

salutare!

[marianu]

salut,am un axr an fabr 07.2003.vreau sa fac rar si sa iasa e4.ma puteti ajuta cu un sfat unde sa fac rar ?contra cost bineinteles......

[MariusAP]

@basile27ro Al tau cum e ? doar cu I rosu banuiesc, daca e de 101 cai. Ai avut in brief E3 und D4 si ai primit de la RAR E4 ? A mea e din ianuarie 2003 si am primit E3, acelasi motor. Cum stabileste totusi RAR-ul norma de poluare ? Chiar nu mai inteleg nimic, dar ma bate un gand.... sa iau masuri. Asta e furt pe fata d-le ;)

[cuiuda]

Golful meu este din 2003 (in carte este 2004), TDI, anul trecut am platit 1038 euro, noxe=138g/km.Din niste coduri din cartea service a reiesit ca masina a fost pentru export Olanda (poate de asta e E4) dar prima inmatriculare si toate reviziile au fost facute in Dusseldorf ;)

[seby kid]

un pic offtopic:

poate cineva sa`mi dea un link (daca s-a mai discutat pe aici, eu am cautat si n-am gasit) despre normele de poluare ale motoarelor de-a lungul timpului (in special cand s-a facut trecerea de la euro2 la euro3) ?

[dani_teo]

AXR din 10/2003 si la RAR mi-a iesit euro 3...cine mai intelege ceva ?? am citit topicurile si sunt bulversat complet.

[cuiuda]

Cei cu motor AXR si E3, ce noxe v-a scris RAR-ul pe carte?

[c_gabriel]

@dani teo

Din moment ce la RAR masina ta a iesit E3 , asa e :) ... Ai cumparat-o tu cu credinta ca e E4 :) .... :)

[MariusAP]

Cei cu motor AXR si E3, ce noxe v-a scris RAR-ul pe carte?

138g/km, la toate motoarele AXR cred ca au trecut la fel, doar ca unele sunt E3 si altele E4 :)... inca nu m-am impacat cu ideea....

[Radusclub]

Golf 4 din 10.2003 pe carte 2004 AXR 101 CP , la RAR Euro 4, 138 g CO2 . Cum naiba sa nu fie omu bulversat k e aceeasi masina!

[ili2k2]

Din cate stiu eu un cod motor nu poate fi omologat decat intr-o singura categorie.

Axr este codul generic, verificati si celalte cifre/litere de la motor.

[marianu]

deci daca ie din 07 2003 o sa iasa 2004 in acte la rar?

[pmrazvan]

tot ce este dupa luna 6 iese anul urmator - valabil la masinile grupului VAG

[cipsius]

va dau si eu exemplu cu golfu meu: AXR produs in 07.2003 , prima inmatriculare 11.2003, euro 4 conform rar si reprezentanta vw (care au zis ca imi vor elibera o adeverinta ca motorul este e4 daca cei de la rar nu vor sa o inmatriculeze e4 ????) si pe talon aici este trecuta acum ca: e4 si mashina din 2004. asa ca nici eu nu inteleg cum definesc cei de la rar daca axr-ul este e3 sau e4.

[Calinutz]

Eu stiu ca VW nu a produs motoare diesel pt. Golf IV care sa respecte norma euro 4 ci doar euro 3. Nu imi explic cum RAR spune ca sunt motoare care respecta euro 4. Atunci cele pe benzina sunt euro 5 sau cum?

[radumihai]

nu e foarte complicat. Fiecare tip de masina primeste o omologare de tip europeana (respecta anumite directive europe). In cazul motorului AXR sunt omologate atat cu euro3 cat si cu euro4.

O sa gasiti pe suportul amortizor stanga fata placuta constructor unde este mentionat numarul de omologare european, ceva de genul e1*2001...

Sa stiti ca cei de la RAR nu joaca alba-neagra cu normele de poluare.

[Roger]

Opaa, informatii noi!

radumihai, in CEE ( Certificat de Conformitate) am gasit un cod sub forma spusa de tine si care se traduce prin "Numar de receptie".

In cazul meu este: e9*98/14*0026*30 si dedesubt 15.12.2005.

Asadar: care este legatura intre intre acest cod si modul de atribuire E3 si E4 de catre RAR, la doua masini care au trecute in brieful germam E4?

Informatii suplimentare: tot in CEE la norma de poluare apare E4, emisii mixte CO2 - 138 g/km. Masina e cumparata de la dealer in aprile 2006.