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lxl

Buna ziua la toata lumea, am o problema cu un A6 2002, nu mai baga cald deloc, ventilatorul inpinge in habitaclu cu putere ,dar numai rece,a avut cineva asemenea problema? Eroare nu apare si raspunde la test actuatori fara probleme. :vaidecapulmeu:

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volnick1986

da eu... la golf.. iarna nu baga caldura. era de la termostat ca ramasese blocat pe deschis si racea motorul aiurea. te-ai uitat la acul din bord. se urca pe 90 de grade in regim normal? la mine mergea termostatul cand vroia el. acum se urca pe 90 si cobora si tot asa. cand se urca pe 90 dadea caldura si cand cadea nu mai dadea. l-am schimbat si totul e OK! cost problema: 50 lei la un mecanic + 50 lei termostatul de la piese auto. piesa nu stiu daca e originala sau nu dar e identica cu cea ce am dat-o jos care a fost originala masinii cred (aceleasi coduri, semn de vw audi pe ea si sigla made in germany)

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C o s m i n

Vasile, ai acces sa scoti furtunele ce intra in calorifer? Incearca sa bagi apa cu presiune pe ele sa vezi daca mai si iese in celalalt capat. Faptul ca ambele furtune ce intra in el sant calde, nu inseamna ca nu e de vina caloriferul.

M-am confruntat si eu cu asta la un Passat si pana la urma caloriferul era infundat (si era iarna). Simptomele erau aceleasi. Sufla doar aer rece, nici o eroare pe climatronic. Speranta mea era sa fie clapeta centrala blocata. Dar de ce era mai rau n-a scapat... Am scos bordul si am schimbat caloriferul. Si totul a revenit la normal. Era plin de mizerie.

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lxl

Mentionez faptul ca ,de pe o zi pe alta sa intimplat ca nu mai baga cald. Acul sta in continuare pe 90.Nu stiu unde este robinetul de la calorifer, poate de acolo se trage, tota problema.

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C o s m i n

Din ceea ce stiu eu, masinile de generatie mai noua, mai ales cele cu climatronic, nu au robinet. Trecerea de la aer cald la aer rece se face doar prin clapeta centrala. Altfel spus, prin calorifer circula tot timpul apa din motor.

La Passatul de care vorbeam a aparut problema tot peste noapte. Cand a cumparat masina (era iarna) avea caldura, iar dupa 2 zile nimic.

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C o s m i n

Ia spune Vasile, cum e cu furtunele prinse sub caseta de directie? :blah: :offtopic:

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lxl
Ia spune Vasile, cum e cu furtunele prinse sub caseta de directie? :blink: :lol:

Era vorba ca ramane secretul nostru :icon_thumright: ,concluzia este ca cine lucreaza si greseste.

Nu stiu cine a schimbat caseta de directie, dar nici nu are impotanta, s-au grabit baietii si la montare au reusit sa prinda un furtun de caloifer intre caroserie si caseta, prostia a fost ca eu am demontat jumatate de masina pana mi-am dat seama ca problema este de acolo. post-37663-1243621183_thumb.jpgpost-37663-1243621126_thumb.jpg

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vidoo

Am aceeasi problema cu caldura , numai ca la mine cred ca este termostatul, apa nu trece de 60 grade. O sa-l schimb si o sa postez ce se rezolva.Poate ma ajuta cineva cu informatii la cat trebuie sa stea apa ( la golf imi statea la 90 si cred ca asa este normal).

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silviu8x

Evit sa mai deschid alt topic...Deci,am o problema cu un audi a6 cu motor AJL,la inceput nu se ridica temperatura apei si nici a uleiului.M-am gandit ca era termostaul blocat pe deschis.Am pus un carton ce acoperea cam 70 la suta din suprafata radiatorului,dar nu a schimbat mare lucru.

Azi am pus un carton si mai mare care acoperea toata suprafata.Apa s-a incalzit tot greu ,in schimb a ajuns la 90 de grade si a ramas acolo,uleiul si el era mai sus,totul stabil!am facut asa 30 de km,destul de uimit,dar multumit.

Din pacate ceea ce era normal s-a intamplat,apa a inceput sa depaseasca 90 de grade,inclusiv temp. uleiului a crescut spre 120 de grade!M-am oprit imediat si am scos cartonul,apa revenind la 90 de grade,uleiul scadea mai greu.Ma gandeam ca is norocos si termostatul poate si-a revenit,ma rog masina are 130k de km facuti in 10 ani!Uimitor apa si uleiul continua sa creasca,numai daca ma opresc cu motorul pornit scade temperatura.Chiar nu mai inteleg nimic!

In mintea mea de profan ma gandesc ca la inceput termostatul era blocat deschis,apoi primind un soc termic mai mare s-a blocat pe inchis,sau e vreun senzor?Ce altceva a putea fi?Lichid de racire e destul(max),presiune in sistemul de racire este,bordul ma gandesc ca merge bine,din moment ce se ridica si coboara ambele temperaturi impreuna...

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vidoo

Acum .....problema: unde este dispus termostatul la A6 motor AKN? Este cumva dispus in spatele distributiei asa cum am constatat eu vizual?

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vidoo

Acum .....problema: unde este dispus termostatul la A6 motor AKN? Este cumva dispus in spatele distributiei asa cum am constatat eu vizual?

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l.u.v

Da, acolo este.

Trebuie demontata cureaua din stanga motorului.

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vidoo

Da.... acolo e! Fir-ar ....... :banghead:

silviu8x: daca obturezi radiatorul de racire , se incalzeste tot volumul de lichid din sistemul de racire, or acesta este calculat ca volum astfel incat , la deschiderea termostatului amestecul dintre lichidul rece din radiator si cel cald din motor sa duca la mentinerea unei temperaturi optime. De aceea temperatura ajunge la 90 si apoi tot urca...Tot de aceea si ventilatorul este actionat prin vascocuplaj.

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vidoo

Schimbat termostat=problema rezolvata!Unde l-au dispus si nemtii astia! De acum incolo, am trecut la capitolul invataturi si urmatoarea: la schimbarea distributiei se schimba la AKN tot ce mai este pe sub aceasta sau pe langa!(in limita bugetului bineinteles).

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ghitaTSI

Buna, am si eu o intrebare : la un Audi A6, 2006, 3.0 TDI quatro, am o problema legata de ventilatie (nu este climatronic) ... cand afara sunt temperaturi cu -grade, in mers se opresc ventilatoarele si nu mai baga caldura (nu conteaza pe ce treapta este), cand opresc la semafor sau oriunde incepe ventilatia iarasi....cum plec cu ea (500 metri) se opresc din nou, si doar cand imi arata in bord temperatura exterioara cu - grade. Am scos mufa la senzorul de temperatura exterioara ca am zis ca poate au legatura de face numai cand sunt grade cu - , dar aceeasi treaba. Am fost cu ea in Italia la reprezentanta, la vreo 5 electricieni, am bagat 600 E in ra si tot nu ia dat nimeni de cap. Cineva imi zicea ca ar fi nu stiu ce computer care distribuie curentul si ala ar taia alimentarea in mers (costa 800 E) dar nu era 100% sigur. Ce parere aveti? Am fost si la test cu ea si i-a dat urmatoarele chestii :

Chassis Type: 4F0

Scan: 01 02 03 05 07 08 09 0E 15 16 17 19 37 42 46 47 4F 52 53 55

56 61 62 72 76 77

VIN: WAUZZZ4FX5N051707 Mileage: 267300km/166092miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010

02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010

03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010

05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000

07-Control Head -- Status: Malfunction 0010

08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010

09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010

0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: OK 0000

15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000

16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000

17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000

19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000

25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000

37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010

42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000

46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000

47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000

4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000

52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000

53-Parking Brake -- Status: Malfunction 0010

55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000

56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000

61-Battery Regul. -- Status: Malfunction 0010

62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000

72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000

76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000

77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 01: Engine Labels: Redir Fail!

Part No SW: 4F0 910 401 L HW: 4F0 907 401 A

Component: 3.0L V6TDI 0000AG 0040

Revision: --H01--- Serial number:

Coding: 0011772

Shop #: WSC 02334 785 00200

VCID: 254AF3CAD3BB1034

1 Fault Found

17060 - Cylinder 6 Glow Plug Circuit (Q15): Electrical Fault

P0676 - 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded

Freeze Frame:

RPM: 903 /min

Torque: 81.9 Nm

Speed: 0.0 km/h

Duty Cycle: 1.0 %

Voltage: 11.93 V

Duty Cycle: 24.5 %

Temperature: 18.9°C

Bin. Bits: 10110000

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09L-927-760.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 156 H HW: 09L 927 156

Component: AG6 09L 3.0lTDI RdW 0080

Revision: --H01--- Serial number: 0053117

Coding: 0000001

Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200

VCID: 2854FAFEA4A90D5C

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4F0-910-517.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 517 E HW: 4F0 614 517 A

Component: ESP8 quattro H03 0010

Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000000000

Coding: 0004488

Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200

VCID: 2648F4C6AEBD1B2C

1 Fault Found

00473 - Control Module for Elect. Park/Hand Brake (J540)

008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00101000

Fault Priority: 3

Fault Frequency: 1

Reset counter: 148

Mileage: 267237 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2012.01.28

Time: 23:21:54

Freeze Frame:

Hex Value: 0x0280

Hex Value: 0x0082

Hex Value: 0x0000

Hex Value: 0x0099

Hex Value: 0x00FF

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. Labels: 4F0-910-852.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 852 HW: 4F0 905 852 B

Component: FBSAUDIC6 ELV H30 0220

Revision: 31050601 Serial number: 10600300069692

Coding: 0000003

Shop #: WSC 10156 599 83377

VCID: E3CE2DD21D0F2E04

Part No: 4F0 910 131 E

Component: FBSAUDIC6 EZS H43 0070

Part No: 4F0 910 220 D

Component: FBSAUDIC6 IDG H35 0040

No fault code found.

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Address 07: Control Head Labels: 4F0-910-7xx-07-H.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 729 Q HW: 4E0 035 729

Component: Interfacebox H43 0500

Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 392CZ057515986

Coding: 0000001

Shop #: WSC 38059 143 00798

VCID: 37762982791792A4

Part No: 4F0 910 609

Component: Bedienteil MMIC6H07 0870

2 Faults Found

02259 - Information Display and Control Head (Front) (J685)

000 - -

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 01100000

Fault Priority: 5

Fault Frequency: 1

Reset counter: 106

Mileage: 245554 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2011.03.26

Time: 15:11:56

Freeze Frame:

Bin. Bits: 0000010

01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)

004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00100100

Fault Priority: 5

Fault Frequency: 16

Reset counter: 150

Mileage: 262931 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2011.12.06

Time: 10:22:05

Freeze Frame:

Bin. Bits: 10

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 4F0-910-043.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 043 HW: 4F1 820 043 F

Component: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH04 0110

Revision: 00000023 Serial number: 00000000059088

Coding: 0000022

Shop #: WSC 77557 264 175077

VCID: DBBE1532257F16C4

3 Faults Found

02071 - Local Databus

012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00101100

Fault Priority: 3

Fault Frequency: 77

Reset counter: 155

Mileage: 266839 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2012.01.08

Time: 14:43:09

01844 - Control Module for Fresh Air Blower (J126)

008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00101000

Fault Priority: 3

Fault Frequency: 1

Reset counter: 145

Mileage: 267200 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2012.01.26

Time: 18:29:12

Freeze Frame:

Temperature: 1.0°C

Speed: 41.0 km/h

(no units): 25.0

(no units): 218.0

00256 - A/C Pressure/Temperature Sensor (G395)

008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00101000

Fault Priority: 3

Fault Frequency: 1

Reset counter: 145

Mileage: 267202 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2012.01.26

Time: 18:32:27

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 4F0-910-279.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 279 HW: 4F0 907 279

Component: ILM Fahrer H14 0080

Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 4F0907279

Coding: 0002121

Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200

VCID: E6C834C6EE3D5B2C

Part No: 4F1 910 113

Component: Wischer AudiC6 H05 0150

Coding: 00064784

Shop #: WSC 02335

Part No: 4E0 910 557

Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH10 0050

Coding: 00146221

Shop #: WSC 02335

1 Fault Found

02382 - Sensor for Light Detection (G399)

014 - Defective

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 01101110

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 254

Reset counter: 115

Mileage: 262136 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2011.11.11

Time: 17:35:00

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Address 0E: Media Player 1 Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl

Part No SW: 4E0 910 111 D HW: 4E0 035 111 A

Component: CD-Changer H44 0340

Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ5ZBD6013680

Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

VCID: 1A30D036EAC5AFCC

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 4F0-910-655-8R.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 655 D HW: 4F0 959 655 B

Component: 32 AIRBAG AUDI8RH29 0250

Revision: 05H29000 Serial number: 0037LD041RD3

Coding: 0013106

Shop #: WSC 38059 143 63368

VCID: 2854FAFEA4A90D5C

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 4F0-910-549.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 549 HW: 4F0 953 549 A

Component: Lenksäulenmodul H07 0230

Revision: 00H07000 Serial number: 90025042600065

Coding: 0002011

Shop #: WSC 38059 143 00798

VCID: E6C834C6EE3D5B2C

Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX

Component: Lenkradmodul H05 0080

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 4F0-910-xxx-17.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 900 A HW: 4F0 920 900 S

Component: KOMBIINSTR. M73 H09 0630

Revision: 00100000 Serial number: 4H+11UJ94

Coding: 0001043

Shop #: WSC 11111 111 11111

VCID: 1E38DC26F6EDC3EC

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 4F0-910-468.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 468 A HW: 4F0 907 468 B

Component: Gateway H09 0030

Revision: 09 Serial number: 08008049040381

Coding: ECFE73C41B3104

Shop #: WSC 38059 143 00798

VCID: 2756F9C2A9B70224

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 37: Navigation Labels: 4E0-910-88x-37.lbl

Part No SW: 4E0 910 887 D HW: 4E0 919 887 C

Component: MNS ECE H43 0550

Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 353I 047568484

Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200

VCID: 2E580CE6864D536C

1 Fault Found

00003 - Control Module

014 - Defective

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 01101110

Fault Priority: 5

Reset counter: 0

Mileage: 241031 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2010.12.30

Time: 08:15:03

Freeze Frame:

Bin. Bits: 0100

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 4F0-910-793-42.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 793 C HW: 4F0 959 793 C

Component: TSG FA H10 0020

Revision: 00000000 Serial number: …!

Coding: 0000522

Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200

VCID: 2A5000F6BAA53F4C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 4F0-910-289.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 289 D HW: 4F0 907 289 D

Component: Komfortgeraet H14 0090

Revision: 00900014 Serial number: 01000743150000

Coding: 0131205

Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200

VCID: 2B5E05F2B55F2644

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 47: Sound System Labels: 4F0-910-223-AS.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 223 B HW: 4F0 035 223

Component: Amp.-ASK H09 0270

Revision: 15S00001 Serial number: 00709040027089

Coding: 0000008

Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200

VCID: 1D3ADB2AFBEBD8F4

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II Labels: 4F0-910-280.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 280 HW: 4F0 907 280

Component: ILM Beifahrer H09 0050

Revision: Serial number: 00000000020163

Coding: 0001003

Shop #: WSC 02323 785 00200

VCID: DEB81C26366D03EC

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 4F0-910-793-52.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 792 C HW: 4F0 959 792 C

Component: TSG BF H10 0020

Revision: 00000000 Serial number: ”X"

Coding: 0000522

Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200

VCID: 2952FFFABFA33454

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 4F0-910-801.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 801 HW: 4F0 907 801

Component: EPB C63C0030 H03 0030

Revision: C63C0030

Coding: 0000321

Shop #: WSC 38059 143 63368

VCID: DDBA1B2A3B6B18F4

1 Fault Found

02433 - Supply Voltage for Right Parking Brake Motor (V283)

011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00111011

Fault Priority: 2

Fault Frequency: 2

Reset counter: 148

Mileage: 267232 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2012.01.28

Time: 23:21:52

Freeze Frame:

Voltage: 11.49 V

Count: 117

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 8P0-907-357.lbl

Part No: 8P0 907 357 A

Component: Dynamische LWR H01 0010

Revision: 00000000 Serial number:

Coding: 0000003

Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200

VCID: 38742ABE74099DDC

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 56: Radio Labels: 4E0-910-541.lbl

Part No SW: 4E0 910 541 C HW: 4F0 035 541

Component: TUNER EU/US/RDW H41 0290

Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 352IX047563098

Coding: 0000001

Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200

VCID: 2044E2DECC99F51C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 61: Battery Regul. Labels: 4F0-910-181.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 181 E HW: 4F0 915 181 A

Component: ENERGIEMANAGER H11 0490

Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000057176

Shop #: WSC 38059 143 63368

VCID: 234EEDD2DD8FEE04

Part No: 4F0 915 105 D

Component: von VA0 1409110527

Coding: 344630393135313035442056413031343039313130353237

Shop #: WSC 00000 384 00290

1 Fault Found

02273 - Quiescent Current Stage 2

000 - - - Intermittent

Freeze Frame:

Fault Status: 00100000

Fault Priority: 7

Fault Frequency: 11

Mileage: 249880 km

Time Indication: 0

Date: 2011.05.15

Time: 08:09:04

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 4F0-910-795.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 795 A HW: 4F0 959 795 A

Component: TSG HL H09 0010

Coding: 0000002

Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200

VCID: 2A5000F6BAA53F4C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 4F0-910-795.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 795 A HW: 4F0 959 794 A

Component: TSG HR H09 0010

Coding: 0000002

Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200

VCID: 2A5000F6BAA53F4C

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 76: Park Assist Labels: 4Fx-910-283.lbl

Part No SW: 4F0 910 283 A HW: 4F0 919 283 A

Component: Parkhilfe 8-Kan H12 0020

Revision: --.--.-- Serial number: 11830425101210

Coding: 0001006

Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200

VCID: 2240E8D6C295E70C

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone Labels: 4E0-910-333.lbl

Part No SW: 4E0 910 333 D HW: 4E0 862 333 C

Component: TELEFONMODUL EU 0650

Revision: 00000006 Serial number: T2AUDX0504H823

Coding: 0000006

Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200

VCID: 2044E2DECC99F51C

No fault code found.

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Va rog daca cineva ma poate ajuta cu informatii as fi recunoscator. Sa auzim de bine !

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TiTina

unitatea de comanda ventilator, cod piesa:

4f0820521a

parerea mea :icon_redface:

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Pmarius_89

Salutari, imi cer scuze ca postez aici dar nu pot creea un topic...am si eu o probela cu un audi A6 2.5 TDI din 2001 cod motor AKN, aceasta de ceva vreme imi face figuri la caldura, daca o turez mai puternic imi baga caldura, iar atunci cand nu baga caldura imi si creste temperatura la apa...mentionez k i-am schimbat termostatul si am verificat si pompa de apa daca e buna sau nu si mai adaug k i-am schimbat si busonul de la vasul de expansiune ca cel vechi nu lucra acea supapa ca la VW...la VW am vazut k lucreaza foarte usor acea supapa dar la cel de audi nu....

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serjuNis

Salutare , acceasi problema o am si eu cu cu A6 3.0 tdi. Dintr o data masina nu mai baga caldura , temp la apa urca la 90 frumos , iar la diagnoza eroare ventilator (Unu l dintre ventilatoare) cum zice ,,mesteru,, . Problema la mine a aparut cand dintr o data masina a pierdut din putere adica nu mai accelera , ma opresc fortat ,dau la cheie si nimic. Astept 5-10-15....1 ora sa se raceasca motoru si la prima cheie porneste ,dupa care constat caci caldura nici gand. Joi duc buburuza la Audi sa vad ce are .

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